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The next step. Eventually.
I'd be lying if I said that Neil Armstrong's passing wasn't behind this one, but Apollo was much, MUCH bigger than one man.... three men... or twelve men. It was literally the project of a lifetime for those who worked on it and we may not see its likes again. At least not as a strictly national effort.

So this goes out to Neil... and Werner von Braun, Pete Conrad, Alan Shephard, Gus Grissom, and countless others who are no longer with us but contributed their sweat and intellectual obsession to the project that led to man's first steps on an extraterrestrial body. They left us with the hope and vision that it won't stop with their achievement.

This also goes out to Robert McCall who inspired me through his bold, optimistic vision of what man could achieve on the planets and beyond. And to my friend Chris Chulamanis who created EVA Models and kept the dream alive through some of the finest Apollo era (and beyond) model kits ever produced. I miss both their fresh inputs on my life.


Photo: NASA.
With Photoshoppery by me.
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=LmAnt Aug 27, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I have to admit that except for Neil Armstrong (of course) and Wernher von Braun (from the part he had in the Nazi-Regime over here) I can't recall any of the names in your list.
Maybe because I've never been too interested in all that moon-travelling as such.
Of course it was the effort of a giant bunch of people to send these ships and their crews to the moon and have these guys walking around on it.
But for me "Neil Armstrong" still stands for what we can achieve if we just really want to.
And I will remember him (the little I know about him) as an unpretentious, honourable and brave man who followed his inspiration and his mission.
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*Arcas-Art Aug 28, 2012  Professional General Artist
Yeah, I guess if the Moon landing had a face, it was Neil. But the reality is that he was just the point of the spear.
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*NICELabs Aug 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hear hear!!
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Well said. Except for one thing.

You mentioned von Braun. You may not know it, but before the US Army took him captive in defeated Germany, Werner von Braun worked for Hitler's regime and developed missiles for bombing civilians in London and elsewhere in Europe. Many innocent men, women and children died under the attacks of V and V-2 missiles which he designed for the Nazis. He was an official member of NSDAP - the Nazist Party.

If not his knowledge and experience in rocket technology, he would have been brought before the Nuremberg Trials as a Nazi criminal, along with Goering, Ribbentrop, Hess, Keitel and others. Alas, at that time the Americans thought it better to keep the handy Nazi for themselves than to bring him to justice.

I would not place Werner von Braun on a par with Neil Armstrong and other brave and outstanding men you have mentioned and who have truly contributed much to peaceful exploration of the Moon and the planets beyond.
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*Arcas-Art Aug 27, 2012  Professional General Artist
I know all about von Braun's story and his role in the program. He was the cornerstone. Regardless of his WW2 history, Neil and the others reached the Moon on his shoulders. That's just the reality of it. He was an outstanding man. Like most other outstanding men, he was not without blemishes.
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I still think that being a war criminal is not just a blemish. It's up to the Americans to decide whom to highlight as one of their heroes. And it's up to the other people to have their opinions as to what kind of heroes the Americans have.
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"Alas, at that time the Americans thought it better to keep the handy Nazi for themselves than to bring him to justice."

Surely you're aware Russia also used thousands of German specialists in the post-war for their practically non-existent rocket program while keeping them in country until swiftly deporting them to the USSR for political reasons. One could argue that much of the foundation of the Soviet Space Program was built on acquired & shared Nazi era German knowledge as much NASA was. [link] Germans operated in the OKB-456 design bureau at NII-88 for a number of years.

"He was an official member of NSDAP - the Nazist Party."

A moot point considering practically every citizen involved in the German war effort was. His honorary SS commission surely came from his genius status in rocketry, yet there is no evidence of him being active in SS atrocities. To compare von Braun to key Nazi party architects and officials is generalizing and frankly not fair, he had no hand in the enforcement or creation the party's brutal policies.

Werner purposely surrendered to the Americans because he believed he would be given more freedom to pursue his rocketry dream of space travel and given how ruthless and ugly nature of the Soviet/German conflict, it was probably a correct assumption. Would Russia have used him? [link] The article states they surely wanted to.

One can get some interesting insight in the American handling of Von Braun here: [link]
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My point was not about the fact that von Braun worked for the Americans. My point was that some Americans hail him as a hero.
The Soviets did use the captive Nazi engineers. I don't say it's nice. But the Russians at least were clever enought not to highlight this fact. Nor did their hail this fact to public. And, had von Braun worked for the Soviets, I would condemn this fact in same manner. It doesn't matter much for me whom he worked for after the WW2. What matters is that some honor him instead of blaming.

"Every citizen involved in the German war effort was". No, there were many Germans who hated the Nazi regime and ideoloy and either escaped from the country or fighted the regime. More than a million pure ethnic Germans (not Jews, Gypsies or Slavs) died in Nazi concentration camps.

Von Braun could not fail to understand the nature of the Nazi regime. Had been just an idealist dreaming of space, as you say, he could have escaped (like Einstein did, for example) and have continued his work in another country. Collaboration with a criminal regime makes a collaborationist a criminal himself.

"He had no hand in the enforcement or creation the party's brutal policies". As I said in my first comment, he had. He "...developed missiles for bombing civilians in London and elsewhere in Europe. Many innocent men, women and children died under the attacks of V and V-2 missiles which he designed..." I am sure he knew what purpose these missiles he developed for.
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Bravo, point taken, as an American I consider Braun as simply a pioneer not a not hero. My point was, after personally witnessing the disgusting Bush-era U.S. occupation of Iraq with its power of propaganda over a receptible public, how public opinion can be manipulated, including the smarty-pants scientists.

As much an entertaining a point-specific debate of his past and the greater historical context could go on ad infinitum ...would you agree the core theme is the black & white vs grey philosophical stance we take upon great scientific minds that are tasked building ground breaking technologies that are intended to be weaponized could be distilled to this: are they all evil mad scientists or just smart people duped by the political consequences of their times?

I think you'd also, and perhaps rightly so, label Oppenheimer and his band as war criminals for building the A-bomb, the subsequent use of which they had zero control of when or if it was to be used (which killed many more thousands of Japanese civilians than Brits from the V rockets). Now I will never say that their conscience is absolved for passing the responsibility solely to the politicians but I will say this, they have always been granted zero autonomy over their inventions. The old "thanks for playing, we'll take it from here, egghead." B.S. Problems is, where does an essentially militant species solely fix the blame post tragedy? The leaders who use war as a negotiating tool from advantage to revenge? The scientists whose discoveries spur fresh ways to exact costly bodycounts? The masses for believing the packaged info and killing each wholesale? & so the hand feeds the mouth and back again...eightfold way.

Perhaps WvB and his colleagues ceased to think about the battle of idologies we so conveniently have the bigger picture of now in the era of easily accessible mass information, but became as self-protective as the rest of the world at that time and just wanted to use their smarts to attack their attackers in a primitive defensive response? It's doubtful that the Nazi propaganda machine really touted things like the death squad EinsatzKommandos marauding around eastern Europe and Russia or killing many fellow German "degenerates" in death camps, in much the same vein modern black ops don't laud their brutal victories to the populace of their own countries.

It was an era filled with unbelievable homocidal viciousness where only the strongest nations that could absorb the most attrition dictated who was right. :'( I'm not saying Braun was just a starry eyed idealist, he obviously fashioned himself man of his times, and I'm not absolving him of all wrong doing but he was a scientist, who most likely believed he was helping his countrymen, much like Oppenheimer. That's my stance, no more no less. We can look in hindsight at such blind nationalistic displays with embitterment, but calling a scientist a murdering piece of trash during WW2 is like handing out speeding tickets during a Formula 1 race.

That's why I wish nationalism would diminish so we would see all fellow humanity as one, so the world's Brauns of our era would join together to strive collectively for Mars & wonderous possibilities beyond, instead being tasked to make better killing machines or increase profits for the elite who don't care about any country but themselves. That's the core of Arcas's journal post, I'd say.
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*Blades-123 Aug 26, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Great image, and wll said.
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